Special series: Love and hate - How Jacinda Ardern polarised the nation, part 4

In a five-part investigation, Stuff senior journalist Lloyd Burr is revisiting a fascinating, turbulent and tumultuous time in New Zealand politics to analyse Jacinda Ardern’s dramatic rise, her fall, and how the country fell out of love with her. All this week, the Newsable feed will carry full audio from extended interviews with key figures in her story. Today: Former Chief Executive of the Employers and Manufacturers Association, Brett O'Reilly. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices